Thursday, September 14, 2006

Refining the Orange

A couple of days ago, I wrote about what the CRA poll in L'Acadie Nouvelle could mean for the NDP, the support of which was purported to be 10%.

After talking to some folks and letting the information ruminate, I am going to remove some of the ambiguity. I wrote that if the NDP gets 10%, then they will win a seat or two, and if they win a seat or two, then it or they must come from either Tantramar, Fredericton-Silverwood, Fredericton-Lincoln or Caraquet.

If the first condition is negated (i.e. the NDP does not get 10%), then the subsequent clauses in the reasoning are rendered moot. However, if the first condition turns out to be satisfied, then the remaining clauses are active. This is because I really don't have a position on whether or not the party can achieve the 10%; all I know is that if they do, the support must be coming from somewhere.

At any rate, two days ago I described Tantramar and Fredericton-Silverwood as the best shots, and Fredericton-Lincoln and Caraquet as "reaches".

I am going to amend that and offer up a bolder prediction:

If the NDP gets 10% of the vote, thus giving them an opportunity at a seat or two, the two remaining real possibilities (down from the four that I listed the other day) are Dennis Atchison in Fredericton-Silverwood and Stephane Doiron in Caraquet.

Fredericton-Silverwood: I work in this riding (I actually live in Fredericton-Nashwaaksis, which I believe will be won by PC Mike Smith, but I digress) and talk to plenty of people here. I am getting the sense that Atchison is the anti-Brad Green candidate of choice. I believe that the race will be very tight and involving all three candidates, and that the only thing keeping Liberal candidate Rick Miles in the race is some (but not all!) of the Liberal base vote and traditional bifurcated party thinking.

Caraquet: as I mentioned the other day the NDP has been known to offer up a where-the-hell-did-that-come-from candidate in the north every once in a while, like Dalhousie in 1995 and Nepisiguit in 1999. Whereas a couple days ago I thought Caraquet could be it, now I am moving this from a reach to a very real possibility. I read this in today's L'Acadie Nouvelle:
  • Mais il y a un troisieme joueur tres important dans cette election a Caraquet, en la personne de Stephane Doiron, candidat du NPD. intelligent et articule, il possede l'avantage d'avoir ete au coeur des manifestations contre le changement de l'hopital sans tenter d'y trouver un quelconque avatage politique, comme il l'a reproche a M. Albert... Il pourrait recuperer beaucoup de votes de personnes mecontentes de la position liberale.
You'll have to excuse the lack of proper punctuation. I don't know how to put accents and the like into the blogger interface. I did offer to pay CBC to help me out with it, but they refused. Regardless, Doiron has significant support up there in Godin Country. The above quote reinforces what I had heard from others, but it seems more real when in print.

At any rate, there you have it. The best-case maximum scenario for the NDP is likely two, so I have "grown a pair" and listed two, rather than four. I have refined the orange.

31 Comments:

At 12:26 PM, Blogger scott said...

That's quite the set there FPTT because at the best of times the NDP were only able to capture one seat max per election while polling at their traditional 13-14%.

Something tells me that these aren't the best of times. They will not finish second in any ridings.

 
At 12:37 PM, Blogger Alvy Singer said...

That may be the case, Scott.

As I said, I have no opinion on whether or not they can achieve 10%. But if they do, they will take a seat. You just can't jam that many votes into so few serious campaigns without taking one.

 
At 1:31 PM, Blogger nbpolitico said...

scott -What traditional 13-14%? The best ever showing for the New Brunswick NDP was 10.8% in 1991.

 
At 8:56 PM, Blogger scott said...

nbpolitico: my bad, I am so used to Ottawa politics after being up there for a decade, i don't know any better and just lazily throw out numbers. Speaking of Ottawa, they [NDP] have gradually gotten better since 2000 rising an average of 2-3 percentage points each election to 17.5%. Too bad the New Brunswick NDP couldn't strengthen their organization so as to be more respectable come election time.

 
At 9:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

FPTT - i was with you all the way until you predicted Mike Smith as the winner in Fred-Nasis. I have lived in this riding for many years (38) to be precise - I am 49, and have seen many elections in my days. But here is the reason i think you are wrong about your prediction! Burke won the riding by a margin of 10.8% of the decided vote in 2003. After the redistribution he picks up polls where incumbent Kirk MacDonald lost to 2003 Liberal Candidate Ray Dillion. There is a paper NDP candidate this time around and this should help him on election day. Burke was unknown in 2003 but very high profile since elected. Quite frankly, Mike Smith has a margin of 10.8% to make up and I can't see where this happens. I have voted Liberal and Conservative in this riding since I was 19 but believe Burke will hold on. Besides, what reason would the riding have to shift over to elect someone other than an incumbent? No big mistakes on Burke's behalf, he is potential cabinet material and generally well liked. Maybe I am wrong but I sense that the many civil servants in his riding intend to send Bernard Lord and his PC's a message this election despite Mike Smith's personal poularity!

 
At 10:50 PM, Blogger Harrap said...

I thought Tantramar was going NDP but from what NBPolitico has been saying, I don't think that'll happen.

I think Fredericton-Silverwood is the NDP's best chance in this election. I don't know much about Caraquet to be honest, but you do make a compelling argument. Brewer mentioning the Caraquet hospital closure at length in the debate is evidence too that the NDP see this as a strong opportunity.

 
At 9:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one issue not mention is how much of the population votes for the leader and how much for the local representative. This, I think, is the reason pollsters and pundits have so much trouble. Since they are both combined in one vote, a 'strong' local candidate may go down in a vote against their leader. That depends on such a myriad of factors its hard to pinpoint. At any time a government can do something, or even say something, that PO's a person so much they change their vote. The opposition can do likewise, and there is no way of knowing how that person will vote come election day.

 
At 1:12 PM, Blogger Spinks said...

I'm with you Alvy about TJ Burke losing. Peter Forbes lost last time even though he was the incumbent but he wasn't a great MLA either. He went in on the '99 blue wave and went out when the voters figured out they could do better. Mike Smith is a solid candidate. I have to give him the edge here but not by much. Lots of close races this election unless you live next door in Kelly Lamrock's riding. He could moon everyone on Union Street each morning and still take it due to no NDP presence and a pretty weak Tory candidate.

 
At 3:59 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's funny cause I talked to a lot of people as well in the Nasis area who do not care much for the PC candidate either. I predict T.J. will win his riding. Oh and some of the other blogs mentioned that both their internal polls have T.J. ahead of Smith

 
At 9:52 PM, Blogger Harrap said...

Greetings,

I have some thoughts on what's brewing in Fredericton-Silverwood. Check out my latest blog entry ;)

 
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